Comments on: Farm Feelings and Farm Evidence http://scienceprogress.org/2009/06/factory-farming-ethics/ Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Laura Slitt http://scienceprogress.org/2009/06/factory-farming-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-5530 Laura Slitt Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:53:22 +0000 http://www.scienceprogress.org/?p=3493#comment-5530 Truth be told, the animal ag business is evil! It supposes humans have some inalienable right to decide which animals are protected, and which can be forced into these UNGODLY lives of agony, from birth to premature death. Human society would be far healthier on every level, if we shifted to the diet we are suppose to consume for optimal health both in mind, body and spirit, a vegan diet. Pigs are as smart as any dog, have acute senses of smell, love their young, have strong family bonds, would travel 30 miles daily foraging, and they do NOT deserve this macabre abuse simply because we have been acculturated and marketed to death to consume their parts..... www.hfa.org www.animalsvoice.com Our violence to animals and making them sick and suffer, is now manifesting the very diseases and violence making humans sick and suffer. Thomas Edison said, "Non-violence is the highest ethic that is the goal of ALL evolution. Until we stop harming ALL other living beings, we are still savages." www.plantbasednutrition.org www.heartattackproof.com Progress is not doing what led us to this global catastrophe, reducing animals to market commodities. Progress is understanding why we strayed from a natural life, into this web , this self-designed trap called the industrial age of capitalism that is poisoning our world, hence, our organs....Come down off the arrogant pedastle and look at the answers right in front of us.... www.powerfulbook.com Truth be told, the animal ag business is evil! It supposes humans have some inalienable right to decide which animals are protected, and which can be forced into these UNGODLY lives of agony, from birth to premature death.
Human society would be far healthier on every level, if we shifted to the diet we are suppose to consume for optimal health both in mind, body and spirit, a vegan diet.
Pigs are as smart as any dog, have acute senses of smell, love their young, have strong family bonds, would travel 30 miles daily foraging, and they do NOT deserve this macabre abuse simply because we have been acculturated and marketed to death to consume their parts…..
http://www.hfa.org http://www.animalsvoice.com
Our violence to animals and making them sick and suffer, is now manifesting the very diseases and violence making humans sick and suffer.
Thomas Edison said, “Non-violence is the highest ethic that is the goal of ALL evolution. Until we stop harming ALL other living beings, we are still savages.”
http://www.plantbasednutrition.org
http://www.heartattackproof.com
Progress is not doing what led us to this global catastrophe, reducing animals to market commodities. Progress is understanding why we strayed from a natural life, into this web , this self-designed trap called the industrial age of capitalism that is poisoning our world, hence, our organs….Come down off the arrogant pedastle and look at the answers right in front of us….
http://www.powerfulbook.com

]]> By: Jaydee Hanson http://scienceprogress.org/2009/06/factory-farming-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-5492 Jaydee Hanson Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:20:19 +0000 http://www.scienceprogress.org/?p=3493#comment-5492 I agree with Paul's general reasoning, but he must be visiting different industrial farms than me. Most of the industrial farms that I have visited have a large number of unwanted birds and rodents around. Pigeons, sparrows, other birds and rats are very hard to eliminate from these facilities. There is just too much spilled food around to keep these kinds of "vermin" out of the facilities. In short, I think that animals in confinement facilities have a reasonable likelihood of being infected by other wild animals, not just those in the wild. I was recently told by a researcher at Johns Hopkins that one of the problems they had with their research mice was that wild mice are getting in and contaminating their inbred strains. If a major research facility can't keep out wild animals, no one can. In short, the science does not support our ability to keep infected animals away from any of the the animals we raise. Not free range, not factory farmed, not lab rats. I agree with Paul’s general reasoning, but he must be visiting different industrial farms than me. Most of the industrial farms that I have visited have a large number of unwanted birds and rodents around. Pigeons, sparrows, other birds and rats are very hard to eliminate from these facilities. There is just too much spilled food around to keep these kinds of “vermin” out of the facilities. In short, I think that animals in confinement facilities have a reasonable likelihood of being infected by other wild animals, not just those in the wild. I was recently told by a researcher at Johns Hopkins that one of the problems they had with their research mice was that wild mice are getting in and contaminating their inbred strains. If a major research facility can’t keep out wild animals, no one can.

In short, the science does not support our ability to keep infected animals away from any of the the animals we raise. Not free range, not factory farmed, not lab rats.

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