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		<title>By: Michael Pyshnov</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5676</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Pyshnov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraud in academia will continue because it is being covered up by the &quot;ethics and integrity&quot; industry. See http://ca.geocities.com/uoftfraud/committee.htm This most important document says it all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fraud in academia will continue because it is being covered up by the &#8220;ethics and integrity&#8221; industry. See <a href="http://ca.geocities.com/uoftfraud/committee.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ca.geocities.com/uoftfraud/committee.htm</a> This most important document says it all!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Sarabia</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5330</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F. Sarabia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, sorry, I got carried away by my words and left out a key point I wanted to make.
The test results proved, beyond any doubt, that the interviews were what &quot;healed&quot; both those that took the drug and those that took the placebo. Read the previous and I trust you will come to the same conclusion.

This is my own extrapolation of the test.
What helped ALL was to tell a professional matters that each considered important, without any prompting.
Just like I am doing right here, right now.
By writing these words, if my logic serves me, 
I am improving my memory.
Of course, you give me the &quot;professional&quot; aspect and, since I learned this early in life, and still remember:
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, sorry, I got carried away by my words and left out a key point I wanted to make.<br />
The test results proved, beyond any doubt, that the interviews were what &#8220;healed&#8221; both those that took the drug and those that took the placebo. Read the previous and I trust you will come to the same conclusion.</p>
<p>This is my own extrapolation of the test.<br />
What helped ALL was to tell a professional matters that each considered important, without any prompting.<br />
Just like I am doing right here, right now.<br />
By writing these words, if my logic serves me,<br />
I am improving my memory.<br />
Of course, you give me the &#8220;professional&#8221; aspect and, since I learned this early in life, and still remember:<br />
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Sarabia</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5329</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F. Sarabia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way...
A British Medical Journal published,a couple of years ago, the results of testing the effect of a drug on memory. They used over 600 patients with different degrees of forgetfulness or Alzheimer&#039;s. 
They wanted to learn the effect of a new drug on the ability to remember. If you think about it, you might wonder why not ask them &quot;Did you forget more this week than last week?&quot; because they cannot tell what they forgot and neither can you or anyone else.
So, they paired each with a Professional to write down all factual matter that they mentioned in daily interviews that lasted a few hours.
After they had established a record of forgetting facts they mentioned, WITHOUT ANY PROMPTING, they moved to the use of the drug. Half were given a Placebo, half got the drug. The memory interviews continued and it was a double blind test, neither the patient nor the interviewer knew who was taking the drug.
This was the GREAT finding: EVERYONE got better.
The Placebo was as effective as the drug in helping the memory therefore, they kept the drug off the market.
But, it was later revealed that Nine patients had died.
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The same test was conducted in the US but using half the patients for half the time. The results were the same but, since those that took the drug, seemingly, got better, the drug was released for use for &quot;all stages of Alzheimer&#039;s&quot; and &quot;this is the only drug so approved by the Government&quot;.

By the way, the drug is still sold in the US, how do I know? One of my sisters is taking it daily. Yes, I told her the study but she &quot;trusts&quot; her doctor and I have no credentials in medicine, none whatsoever. 
That is why I never identified the drug.
But, I hope you can devise a way to verify new drugs do no harm and not depend on the mortality rate and compensation amounts to decide, which is after the fact.
Of course, you must stop the Government accepting the test results of the drug company with no independent Government tests -a practice initiated during the Bush Administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;<br />
A British Medical Journal published,a couple of years ago, the results of testing the effect of a drug on memory. They used over 600 patients with different degrees of forgetfulness or Alzheimer&#8217;s.<br />
They wanted to learn the effect of a new drug on the ability to remember. If you think about it, you might wonder why not ask them &#8220;Did you forget more this week than last week?&#8221; because they cannot tell what they forgot and neither can you or anyone else.<br />
So, they paired each with a Professional to write down all factual matter that they mentioned in daily interviews that lasted a few hours.<br />
After they had established a record of forgetting facts they mentioned, WITHOUT ANY PROMPTING, they moved to the use of the drug. Half were given a Placebo, half got the drug. The memory interviews continued and it was a double blind test, neither the patient nor the interviewer knew who was taking the drug.<br />
This was the GREAT finding: EVERYONE got better.<br />
The Placebo was as effective as the drug in helping the memory therefore, they kept the drug off the market.<br />
But, it was later revealed that Nine patients had died.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
The same test was conducted in the US but using half the patients for half the time. The results were the same but, since those that took the drug, seemingly, got better, the drug was released for use for &#8220;all stages of Alzheimer&#8217;s&#8221; and &#8220;this is the only drug so approved by the Government&#8221;.</p>
<p>By the way, the drug is still sold in the US, how do I know? One of my sisters is taking it daily. Yes, I told her the study but she &#8220;trusts&#8221; her doctor and I have no credentials in medicine, none whatsoever.<br />
That is why I never identified the drug.<br />
But, I hope you can devise a way to verify new drugs do no harm and not depend on the mortality rate and compensation amounts to decide, which is after the fact.<br />
Of course, you must stop the Government accepting the test results of the drug company with no independent Government tests -a practice initiated during the Bush Administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Sarabia</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5328</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F. Sarabia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note this two:
1. &quot;whose research contributed to the increased use of antipsychotic medicines in children&quot; also, 
2. The Hippocratic Oath includes &quot;I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.&quot;

How do you reconcile these with the fact that drugs had to be taken OFF the market because they killed patients. If you cannot figure that out, my words make no difference.

The following is specific, but could be generic.

It is a fact that nobody knows how the brain works.
It is a fact the Principles that would define illness or healing methods do not exist.

Most medical treatments related to the mind are along this:
&quot;This drug has worked for others, I believe you should try it and I will be watching you very carefully, to see if it works!&quot;

Of course, that is the same technique Herbal Medicine Doctors, called Shaman or Curanderos, used for many centuries but, they only used herbs and other natural products. Did some patients die? Must probably, but this is as far as Medical &quot;Science&quot; has progressed. Of course, you are shocked anyone with college degrees would claim that is the truth, that is true.

Don&#039;t ask a Doctor what scientific Principles he or she follows most often. Some, will quote a Rule from a textbook because some don&#039;t even know What is a Principle?
Tell them Newton&#039;s Laws of Motion can be used to derive the trajectory of a baseball or a rocket. Could that be a Principle?  But, can they name a Medical Principle?
Of course, they can tell that if A and B and C are true, take an Aspirin before going to bed and comeback next week.
That is not the application of principles, that is written in Medical Books and Doctors remember that.
The Mayo Clinic put all these Symptoms and Treatments in a computer and after many used both they concluded that the computer was better than the doctor at making the correct prescription.  Does that prove anything?

Finally, and this one is personal, a few of my relatives were given &quot;antipsychotic medicines&quot; and three of them are now living a vegetating life. They lost the ability to respond to speech. By the way, none sued their doctors. In one case, the doctor was her brother.

But, the task of convincing doctors that they do not, at all, understand how the brain work is comparable to trying to convince a strong religious believer, to change religions.

One doctor, on PBS TV, was selling a book and at the beginning he said &quot;Now, we can see what the Brain is doing using MRI real time images, we can actually see how the brain responds, while it is responding.&quot;
The doctor never mentioned that the colored images of the brain were computer generated and displayed in colors chosen by the computer to highlight activity. What activity, they had and have no clue.
The &quot;Immune System&quot; is in the brain and drugs are sold to strengthen the Immune System but, how does it work?
One could ask, which connections, or synapses, are involved in healing and, if honest, they will say &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; and maybe add &quot;but we are learning more every day!&quot;
How can they strengthen or heal something they do not know how it works?
Most doctors, I have yet to meet the exception, do not know Canadian MRI studies that concluded that all the brain must be identical for its functions are relocated overnight, while the patient was asleep.
If the function of a synapses can change, maybe a function that fails can be transfer to another, you think?
Guess what? Jessica lost one third of her brain but, she said to Mike Wallace in TV, that she had to &quot;learn how to think&quot;, yes, I know, wish I could have asked a few more questions like &quot;What do you mean?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note this two:<br />
1. &#8220;whose research contributed to the increased use of antipsychotic medicines in children&#8221; also,<br />
2. The Hippocratic Oath includes &#8220;I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you reconcile these with the fact that drugs had to be taken OFF the market because they killed patients. If you cannot figure that out, my words make no difference.</p>
<p>The following is specific, but could be generic.</p>
<p>It is a fact that nobody knows how the brain works.<br />
It is a fact the Principles that would define illness or healing methods do not exist.</p>
<p>Most medical treatments related to the mind are along this:<br />
&#8220;This drug has worked for others, I believe you should try it and I will be watching you very carefully, to see if it works!&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, that is the same technique Herbal Medicine Doctors, called Shaman or Curanderos, used for many centuries but, they only used herbs and other natural products. Did some patients die? Must probably, but this is as far as Medical &#8220;Science&#8221; has progressed. Of course, you are shocked anyone with college degrees would claim that is the truth, that is true.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask a Doctor what scientific Principles he or she follows most often. Some, will quote a Rule from a textbook because some don&#8217;t even know What is a Principle?<br />
Tell them Newton&#8217;s Laws of Motion can be used to derive the trajectory of a baseball or a rocket. Could that be a Principle?  But, can they name a Medical Principle?<br />
Of course, they can tell that if A and B and C are true, take an Aspirin before going to bed and comeback next week.<br />
That is not the application of principles, that is written in Medical Books and Doctors remember that.<br />
The Mayo Clinic put all these Symptoms and Treatments in a computer and after many used both they concluded that the computer was better than the doctor at making the correct prescription.  Does that prove anything?</p>
<p>Finally, and this one is personal, a few of my relatives were given &#8220;antipsychotic medicines&#8221; and three of them are now living a vegetating life. They lost the ability to respond to speech. By the way, none sued their doctors. In one case, the doctor was her brother.</p>
<p>But, the task of convincing doctors that they do not, at all, understand how the brain work is comparable to trying to convince a strong religious believer, to change religions.</p>
<p>One doctor, on PBS TV, was selling a book and at the beginning he said &#8220;Now, we can see what the Brain is doing using MRI real time images, we can actually see how the brain responds, while it is responding.&#8221;<br />
The doctor never mentioned that the colored images of the brain were computer generated and displayed in colors chosen by the computer to highlight activity. What activity, they had and have no clue.<br />
The &#8220;Immune System&#8221; is in the brain and drugs are sold to strengthen the Immune System but, how does it work?<br />
One could ask, which connections, or synapses, are involved in healing and, if honest, they will say &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; and maybe add &#8220;but we are learning more every day!&#8221;<br />
How can they strengthen or heal something they do not know how it works?<br />
Most doctors, I have yet to meet the exception, do not know Canadian MRI studies that concluded that all the brain must be identical for its functions are relocated overnight, while the patient was asleep.<br />
If the function of a synapses can change, maybe a function that fails can be transfer to another, you think?<br />
Guess what? Jessica lost one third of her brain but, she said to Mike Wallace in TV, that she had to &#8220;learn how to think&#8221;, yes, I know, wish I could have asked a few more questions like &#8220;What do you mean?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey Blumsohn</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5324</link>
		<dc:creator>Aubrey Blumsohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See

&quot;Can we bank on trust&quot;
here
http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-trust.html

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-trust.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Can we bank on trust&lt;/a&gt;

as a rebuttal of sorts.

Aubrey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See</p>
<p>&#8220;Can we bank on trust&#8221;<br />
here<br />
<a href="http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-trust.html" rel="nofollow">http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-trust.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-trust.html" rel="nofollow">Can we bank on trust</a></p>
<p>as a rebuttal of sorts.</p>
<p>Aubrey</p>
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		<title>By: William T. Carpenter, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://scienceprogress.org/2009/05/can-we-bank-on-objectivity/comment-page-1/#comment-5322</link>
		<dc:creator>William T. Carpenter, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago we entered an contractual agreement for collaborative research between the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center/U. Md. Baltimore and Novartis for discovery related to unmet treatment needs in schizophrenia--cognition and negative symptoms.  This arrangement might serve as one model for academic/industry collaboration, and a description was published in the closing issues of Schizophrenia Bulletin, 2004.  Principles guiding each partner and how these were incorporated are described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago we entered an contractual agreement for collaborative research between the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center/U. Md. Baltimore and Novartis for discovery related to unmet treatment needs in schizophrenia&#8211;cognition and negative symptoms.  This arrangement might serve as one model for academic/industry collaboration, and a description was published in the closing issues of Schizophrenia Bulletin, 2004.  Principles guiding each partner and how these were incorporated are described.</p>
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